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Military retirement, combat-related disability bills die in House committee (access required)

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14 comments

  1. It’s good to see more thoughtul heads prevail on this issue. We all support the troops and know the sacrifices they make. But their families do, too.

  2. So Rep. Banz really believes that only the service member is the one who has to put in the time? Are you kidding me? I thought sexism was dead – apparently not in Midwest City America!

  3. For Kurkland and other divorced vets….it’s about the money! They love to paint those against their agenda as doing so because of financial gain. Why? Because they assume everyone looks at things the same way they do. Kurkland took his divorce decision all the way to the Oklahoma Supreme Ct. He never liked the outcome that all appellate courts said was equitable. Now, it appears he has a life mission based on bitterness to seek a special outcome for service members. Having their deferred compensation treated like everyone’s deferred compensation benefits just isn’t good enough. They act like spoiled children throwing a temper tantrum because they didn’t get their way! There is a reason that for over 30 years Congress has refused their extreme claims. There is a reason that no state in the union has adopted their selfish positions. The reason is fundamental dur process that requires usntofairness in treat similar things the same. Deferred compensation is deferred compensation. Period.

  4. Note that president Obama is quoted in the Washington Post on 4/12/11 as saying: ““Americans in uniform have never served alone.” “Behind every American in uniform stands a wife, a husband; a mother, a dad; a son or daughter; a sister or brother. These families — these remarkable families — are the force behind the force,” he said. “They are the reason we have the finest military in the world.” SB 528 purely seeks preferential treatment of military members, not acknowledging the spousal contribution to a successful military career. Thanks to Rep. Stiles and Rep. Morrisette for seeking clarification of the implications of the bill for the committee members to make an educated decision. Military couples are no different than non-military couples as far as having a partnership.Therefore, in the sad case of divorce, division of retirement and property should be treated in the same manner.

  5. I think it’s a sad commentary on the legislative process in Oklahoma that this issue even received serious consideration. I once heard a college student at OU quoted as saying, “When the world ends, I want to be in Oklahoma because everything happens here 20 years later than the rest of the country”.

    Personally, I think 20 years may be too conservative!!

  6. Note that president Obama is quoted in the Washington Post on 4/12/11 as saying: ““Americans in uniform have never served alone.” “Behind every American in uniform stands a wife, a husband; a mother, a dad; a son or daughter; a sister or brother. These families — these remarkable families — are the force behind the force,” he said. “They are the reason we have the finest military in the world.” SB 528 purely seeks preferential treatment of military members, not acknowledging the spousal contribution to a successful military career. Thanks to Rep. Stiles and Rep. Morrisette for seeking clarification of the implications of the bill for the committee members to make an educated decision. Military couples are no different than non-military couples as far as having a partnership.Therefore, in the sad case of divorce, division of retirement and property should be treated in the same manner.

  7. The retained veteran is subject to the provisions of the UCMJ – including courts martial. The former spouse of such a veteran is not.
    The retained veteran is subject at any moment to recall to active duty. The former spouse of such a veteran is not.
    The retained veteran must keep his or her US citizenship in order to remain eligible to receive MRP. The former spouse of such a veteran can be a forgein national (Non-U.S. citizen) and they can live wherever they choose and STILL MAINTAIN a legal claim against the retained veteran’s current income. No other American is treated so unfairly by the courts.
    The retained veteran cannot commit a felony and still receive MRP. There are former spouses in prison collecting a veteran’s retainer pay. You may be surprised to learn that when LTC Oliver North was convicted of a felony (perjury), his MRP was stopped, and it remains stopped to this day. He filed suit in federal court on the issue AND LOST. However, you may be equally surprised to learn that the former spouse of a retained veteran can commit felonies at will – even MURDER, and still retain a legal claiim against the retained veteran’s MRP.

    To the opposition, do your research .

  8. In Oklahoma, lawyers were able to to stop two recent pieces of legislation – SBs 528 and 917. One Oklahoma legislator in particular – a Rep. named Aaron Stiles (Rep. Stiles, as I understand it, sought conscientous objector status and did not go to war on those grounds, yet he claims his 8 year veteran status- see http://normantranscript.com/local/x519022993/Candidate-s-medal-claim-questioned-by-servicemen, or http://www.dolanmedia.com/view.cfm?recID=639286), was particularly vocal in the Oklahoma House Judiciary Committee in killing these bills.

  9. Mr. Kurland:
    Why must you resort to character assassination? (Perhaps becuase your arguments on the merits of the bills are so flimsy)?

    What do the allegations against Stiles have anything to do with depriving non-military spouses of their rightful share of their ex-spouse’s retirement or children of their father’s financial support?

    Do you really want to go get down and dirty? Trust me, there is a long file about your conduct and your known temper.

    Why don’t you lick your wounds and go back to wherever you came from? Oklahomans are smarter than the bill of goods you’ve been peddling at the Capitol for the last few years.

    We love our families and children too much to give bitter, selfish and greedy guys wrapping themselves in the flag a carte blanche check to deprive former loved ones of financial support.

    Please, go peddle your garbage somewhere else.

  10. Exactly my point. Let’s stay on the ISSUE and not get personal about SB 528. Form an opinion about the proposed bill, evaluate it and it’s potential impact – is it right or wrong, who does it hurt/benefit, and for what reasons? Step back, take a deep breath – in the end it takes “two to tango.” Please, do not let the mighty $$ rule.
    Military couples are no different to that compared to non-military couples.

  11. C.J. Jung if that’s your real name,
    Sounds as though you’re confused about possibly someone else. Maybe you’re an attorney with a vested interest.Military retainer pay is not a pension and was never designed as social support for an ex-spouse. Your whole rationale is offensive and has no basis or facts to back up your claims.
    If you find discrimination as offensive as most people do, then the government must relieve every veteran of their obligations post active duty to receive this continued pay as a “pension”…or hold the former spouse subject to recall,UCMJ,citizenship, avoidance of criminal penalties, employment restrictions, etc., as “retainer pay”.
    No other profession is subject to this treatment.

    Equal protection under the law…not compensation for just being a spouse and/or a parent. It’s not a pension, it doesn’t accrue and hard copy documentation from various government agencies and directives were explicit in stating this definition and shown to legislators who for some reason refused to comment. Everything else is eye wash.

    This is nothing more than a “cash cow” for attorneys and former spouses. There is solid documentation attesting to this. Perhaps you need to do the research instead of name calling and making threats.
    Get educated about the issue. There is a vast plethora of information out there on this subject.Veterans nationwide everyday are becoming more informed,organized and determined about this egregious treatment of their brothers and sisters in uniform.

    See you next legislative session

  12. Hi Frank:
    Isn’t it time to “Move On”? Life is whizzing by. You’ve been fighting your divorce in the state legislature for over three years, and you’ve been entangled legally for almost a decade. Please try to keep your personal business from affecting other people and the state of Oklahoma.

    Your You Tube video is hilarious! Were you actually serious that you want to make it a presidential campaign issue whether a candidate supports the discrimination of military spouses or not?!?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_OKnK6Odvg

    You’ve still never answered the question of why the divorce of a police officer should be any different from the divorce of a service member…. they both make sacrifices for their communities and our nation! All occupations’ divorces should be handled as similarly as possible.

    Now that your Oklahoma military assignment is over, will you be returning to where you came from? Why should Oklahoma have to deal with your baggage? Just got stationed here. You’re not even from here.